Topic: Weekly Seed #40 [Alpha 8] [Seed: Hauler Hunter] (Read 2385 times)

zxc · « **on:** May 12, 2016, 07:20:36 AM »

This week's seed: Hauler Hunter

Ripe for the taking

The Weekly Seed is open to anyone, and we encourage you to to share your experiences, stories, and tactics over the course of your run.

The rules are as follows:

The Weekly Seed begins from the date this thread is posted and lasts about seven days.
Make sure you are running the correct version of Cogmind (see thread subject).
Enter the seed and abort your current game to initiate the seed (more details are below).
Verify you are not running the tutorial and that the screenshots below match your game.
Play through the game once. This is a friendly event and we are all honest people.
When finished, post your scoresheet here (it should be the newest file in /scores) and any other screenshots/stories/strategies you wish to share with the community.
If you want to share details about the seed or your approach, make sure you use spoiler tags.
Due to the spoilerific nature of this thread, be sure to avoid reading details about the seed if you haven't completed your run.

Good luck and have fun!

HOW TO ENTER A SEED

Press F1 to go to the MENU, select OPTIONS, select Seed, and enter this week's seed:

Select GAME, select ABORT:

If you have followed the steps [Manual seed applied: Hauler Hunter] should display in the log window.

Congratulations on entering the seed, now get in there!

rumpel · « **Reply #1 on:** May 12, 2016, 10:52:08 AM »

This was my best attempt!

This was this really huge fight I didn't think I'd manage to win, but I did and got a lot of stuff out of it.

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Shortly after there was another fight - smaller, but tougher and I can't recall what happened exactly but I ended up with critical overheat which destroyed a lot of my parts. I was trying to flee to cool down, but while doing so even more parts stopped working, so I ended up almost naked and found my last gun:

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This was my last stand... :<

Here's the score:

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Kyzrati · « **Reply #2 on:** May 15, 2016, 04:24:58 AM »

Nice job, rumpel. This felt like a really tough seed, and you certain outlived me!

I only got 1,041 :/

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Cogmind - Alpha 8 Name: Kyzrati ---[ CORE DESTROYED ]--- Performance ------------- Evolutions (1) 500 Robots Destroyed (17) 85 Value Destroyed (456) 456 Prototype IDs (0) 0 Alien Tech Identified (0) 0 Bonus (0) 0 TOTAL SCORE: 1041 Cogmind --------- Core Integrity 0/400 Matter 234/300 Energy 50/50 System Corruption 0% Temperature Cool (86) Location -9/Materials Parts ------- Power (1) Propulsion (2) Improved Aluminum Leg Utility (2) Small Storage Unit Weapon (4) Heavy Assault Rifle Inventory ----------- Beam Cannon Heat Sink Large Matter Storage Unit Peak State ------------ Power Light Ion Engine Propulsion Aluminum Leg Light Treads Utility Small Storage Unit Large Matter Storage Unit Weapon Beam Cannon Assault Rifle Beam Cannon Heavy Assault Rifle [Rating: 10] Favorites ----------- Power Light Ion Engine Engine Light Ion Engine Propulsion Aluminum Leg Treads Light Treads Leg Aluminum Leg Utility Small Storage Unit Storage Small Storage Unit Weapon Beam Cannon Energy Gun Medium Laser Energy Cannon Beam Cannon Ballistic Gun Assault Rifle Stats ------- Bonus Breakdown 0 Classes Destroyed 5 Recycler 1 Swarmer 8 Grunt 5 Duelist 1 Sentry 2 NPCs Destroyed 0 Best Kill Streak 6 Combat Bots Only 6 Matter Collected 594 Salvage Created 567 Parts Attached 25 Power 4 Propulsion 8 Utility 2 Weapon 11 Parts Lost 13 Power 3 Propulsion 4 Utility 0 Weapon 6 Average Slot Usage (%) 82 Naked Turns 1 Spaces Moved 466 Fastest Speed (%) 200 Average Speed (%) 81 Slowest Speed (%) 55 Overloaded Moves 0 Propulsion Burnouts 0 Targets Rammed 2 Cave-ins Triggered 0 Teleports 0 Heaviest Build 21 Greatest Overweight (x) 6 Average Overweight (x) 0 Largest Inventory 6 Most Items Carried 6 Average Items Carried 4 Core Damage Taken 448 Average Core Remaining (%) 82 Depth 10 Exit 82 Volleys Fired 63 Largest 4 Hottest 163 Shots Fired 140 Gun 84 Cannon 56 Launcher 0 Special 0 Kinetic 83 Thermal 57 Explosive 0 Electromagnetic 0 Shots Hit Robots 83 Core Hits 31 Overload Shots 0 Energy Bleed 0 Heat Surge 0 Short Circuit 0 Meltdown 0 Melee Attacks 0 Impact 0 Slashing 0 Piercing 0 Damage Inflicted 1181 Projectiles 1177 Explosions 0 Melee 0 Ramming 4 Kinetic 607 Thermal 570 Explosive 0 Electromagnetic 0 Impact 0 Slashing 0 Piercing 0 Self-Inflicted Damage 2 Shots 0 Rammed 2 Highest Temperature 626 Average Temperature 174 Shutdowns 3 Energy Bleed 1 Interference 2 Matter Decay 2 Short Circuit 0 Damage (minor) 1 Damage (major) 8 Damage (core) 3 Highest Corruption 0 Average Corruption 0 Message Errors 0 Parts Rejected 0 Data loss (map) 0 Data loss (database) 0 Misfires 0 Misdirections 0 Targeting Errors 0 Weapon Failures 0 Haulers Intercepted 0 Robots Corrupted 0 Robots Melted 0 Power Chain Reactions 0 Tactical Retreats 1 Communications Jammed 0 Parts Field Recycled 0 Retrieved Matter 0 Parts Merge Repaired 0 Drone Launches 0 Drone Recoveries 0 Derelicts Assembled 0 Traps Triggered 0 Indirectly 0 Trap Hack Attempts 0 Triggered 0 Disarmed 0 Reprogrammed 0 Reused 0 Data Cores Recovered 0 Used 0 Machines Hacked 4 Terminals 4 Fabricators 0 Repair Stations 0 Recycling Units 0 Scanalyzers 0 Garrison Access 0 Total Hacks 9 Successful 2 Failed 7 Catastrophic 1 Database Lockouts 0 Manual 4 Unauthorized 4 Terminals 9 Fabricators 0 Repair Stations 0 Recycling Units 0 Scanalyzers 0 Garrison Access 0 Terminal Hacks 2 Record 0 Part Schematic 0 Robot Schematic 0 Robot Analysis 0 Prototype ID Bank 0 Open Door 0 Level Access Points 0 Branch Access Points 1 Emergency Access Points 0 Machine Index 0 Terminal Index 0 Fabricator Index 0 Repair Station Index 0 Recycling Unit Index 0 Scanalyzer Index 0 Garrison Index 0 Alert Level 0 Unreport Threat 0 Locate Traps 0 Disarm Traps 0 Reprogram Traps 0 Dispatch Records 0 Maintenance Status 1 Security Status 0 Surveillance Status 0 Patrol Status 0 Transport Status 0 Investigation Status 0 Extermination Status 0 Reinforcement Status 0 Assault Status 0 Garrison Status 0 Intercept Status 0 Recall Investigation 0 Recall Extermination 0 Recall Reinforcements 0 Recall Assault 0 Hauler Manifests 0 Registered Components 0 Registered Prototypes 0 Zone Layout 0 Sector Layout 0 Machine Controls 0 Hacking Detections 4 Full Trace Events 0 Feedback Events 0 Feedback Corruption 0 Feedback Part Disabled 0 Feedback Blocked 0 Trojans Installed 0 Terminals 0 Fabricators 0 Repair Stations 0 Recycling Units 0 Scanalyzers 0 Garrison Access 0 Fabricators Overloaded 0 Garrisons Disabled 0 Garrisons Compromised 0 Robot Schematics Acquired 0 Robots Built 0 Total Robot Build Rating 0 Robot Fabrication Matter 0 Robot Fabrication Time 0 Part Schematics Acquired 0 Parts Built 0 Total Part Build Rating 0 Part Fabrication Matter 0 Part Fabrication Time 0 Parts Repaired 0 Part Repair Time 0 Parts Recycled 0 Recycled Matter 0 Retrieved Matter 0 Retrieved Components 0 Parts Scanalyzed 0 Part Schematics Acquired 0 Parts Damaged 0 Robot Analysis Total 0 Robots Rewired 0 Robots Hacked 0 Non-combat 0 Combat 0 Parse 0 Link 0 Rebooted 0 Overloaded 0 Assimilated 0 Manual 0 Secondary 0 Robot Hack Failures 0 Allies Hacked 0 Hacks Repelled 0 Total Allies 0 Largest Group 0 Highest-Rated Group 0 Highest-Rated Ally 0 Total Orders 0 STAY 0 GOTO 0 ROAM 0 FOLLOW 0 GUARD 0 AID 0 BUILD 0 TUNNEL 0 DROP 0 PICKUP 0 COLLECT 0 EXPLORE 0 RETURN 0 Terraforming Orders 0 Walls Built 0 Walls Tunneled 0 Ally Attacks 0 Total Damage 0 Kills 0 Allies Corrupted 0 Allies Melted 0 Peak Influence 264 Average Influence 100 Final Influence 174 Maximum Alert Level 1 Low Security (%) 92 Level 1 7 Level 2 0 Level 3 0 Level 4 0 Level 5 0 Squads Dispatched 2 Investigation 0 Extermination 0 Reinforcement 2 Assault 0 Garrison 0 Intercept 0 Derelict Logs Recovered 0 Exploration Rate (%) 17 Regions Visited 3 Pre-discovered Areas 0 Garrisons Visited 0 Relays Disabled 0 Generators Disabled 0 Network Hubs Disabled 0 Actions Taken 598 Turns Passed 814 Depth 11 72 Depth 10 482 Depth 9 260 Scrapyard 72 Materials 742 Prototype IDs --------------- None Alien Tech Recovered ---------------------- None Route ------- -11/Scrapyard -10/Materials -9/Materials Game ------ Seed: Hauler Hunter ^Manual?: 1 Play Time: 8 min Sessions: 1 Mod: N/A Game No.: 8 ASCII: 1 Keyboard: 1 Movement: Numpad Fullscreen: 0 Font: 12/Smallcaps Map View: 66x50 FOV Handling: Fade In

Worst performance in a while (died in the early game o_O), but I'm pretty sure it's because I played this seed a lot less cautiously than I normally would... way overconfident there. (You can sorta tell I was playing on the edge with a 2-weapon evolution right off the bat.)

The seed has a pretty tough start with having to pass close to a garrison and also mostly concentrated thoroughfares without a lot of side paths in the first couple maps.

My standard philosophy has always been that the most important goal in the early game is to simply escape, and with that strategy I'd never die early. You can worry about gearing up (and earning points) later, while it's very easy to get caught up in combat and die from the deadly combination of low coverage and low integrity at the start. Going everywhere guns blazing in Materials is playing with fire

@rumpel: That's an interesting first shot you've got there--you're quite slowed by all the armor and weapons. A flying combat build? Not easy to do! You're so overweight that you don't really get much benefit from the flight capabilities except hopping robots. I think hover can work as a fast combat build, but flight is better for stealth or fleeing.

rumpel · « **Reply #3 on:** May 15, 2016, 11:50:45 PM »

I don't have a lot of knowledge of the different movement types/overweight yet. I guess I have to look into it a bit sooner than I thought. But the sole reason I had all those flying parts is that there wasn't anything else at all - I startet out with legs, but I never found any new legs... only the flying parts.

Kyzrati · « **Reply #4 on:** May 16, 2016, 12:45:09 AM »

Hehe, yeah that happens--sometimes you run with whatever you can find, though before long you'll be experienced enough to also seek out victims for certain parts. Like if you want to run with legs, grunts and hunters can supply you with plenty (and always carry spares). Once you figure out the strategies, it's not too difficult to go through the whole game with any single form of propulsion.

Sylverone · « **Reply #5 on:** May 16, 2016, 07:52:55 PM »

Here's my run: I died running away from the garrison in rumpel's first image.

Pictures in an Imgur album: http://imgur.com/a/C0JCd

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Kyzrati · « **Reply #6 on:** May 16, 2016, 10:49:44 PM »

Garrisons are freaking scary, especially the ones you don't notice until it's getting too late. And to think, the game didn't even have them until several alphas in (although back then there were more enemies in general, too).

Those images--haha, you got three Sentries on you? Definitely more common in Storage due to its high security density.

Decker · « **Reply #7 on:** May 23, 2016, 07:54:10 PM »

My goal this time around was to explore the new content. I did not manage to find the lower caves, but I did find the upper caves. Interestingly, it's not Zhirov who gives you the best artifact.

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I died in Access due to core attrition. I had a terrain scanner and sensors, but the exit eluded me. I found the locked branch and crashed the front door (the hunter guards are actually tougher than the behemoths) in the hope that one the 3 level 1 terminals would pip out the exit. Nope.

I had one telsa launcher that saved my skin for a long time. Funnily, it had one bar left of health but it just wouldn't get destroyed. It survived about 10x the amount of abuse that a normal item would take.

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Kyzrati · « **Reply #8 on:** May 23, 2016, 09:15:27 PM »

Decker and his consistently ridiculously high scores

Hunters really are tougher than Behemoths. I think once again Behemoths need a buff to make them scarier. They aren't too common anyway, are always stationary guards, are too big to follow through narrow doors and corridors... and they're freaking four times as large as a regular bot. They need to be deadlier. What thinks everyone?

(Note there are scarier robots you haven't met yet, but still, as far as the main line robots go, Behemoths should probably feel more at the top than they do?)

Sherlockkat · « **Reply #9 on:** May 24, 2016, 12:47:34 AM »

Re Behemoths : Make them resistant to kinetics and and watch us cry

. Honestly, I like them the way they are. They probably feel weak as they usually occur in isolation. Isolated behemoths won't be much of a challenge even if you buff them. They do work well with other robots and provide good cannon support. Especially hunters. The command guards will shred any ill-prepared cogmind to bits. So will the extension junction squad. I really do think they work well when they are fighting with teams of robots. If you want to buff them, how about equipping them with a combat drone bay? Or is that a derelict item? Or you can litter the area around behemoths with ambush traps. I also don't think it is fair to compare anything to hunters. They are the alpha and the omega when it comes to end cogmind runs.

Kyzrati · « **Reply #10 on:** May 24, 2016, 01:07:51 AM »

True that they might feel weaker because they're often alone. And then there's the issue zxc's brought up that getting caught in a stasis trap with a Behemoth staring down your zippy stealth build is no laughing matter.

My first thought was to just boost their core integrity, since they're so easy to hit that even though they have the toughest core, it still falls apart pretty quickly, which makes them seem a lot less threatening. Or we could lower their core exposure (which I already did a bit once before), which might be an overall better approach that has the same effect. (Doing that would also make Armor Integrity Analyzers even more valuable against them.)

Note: The combat drone bay is a prototype only available through special means (schematic), not a regular part.

Decker · « **Reply #11 on:** May 24, 2016, 07:12:27 AM »

Behemoths could use a buff, especially the ones in Access. I think one of the best buff you could give them is to make the targetting LOS symmetrical. Currently, it's too easy to shoot at a behemoth that can't shoot back at you.

Conversely, it's frustrating when a robot shoots at you and you can't shoot back. From the player's perspective, it looks like a UI quirk. There's no way to tell in advance whether you'll be able to shoot at a robot that's coming around the corner.

Kyzrati · « **Reply #12 on:** May 24, 2016, 07:26:36 AM »

Quote from: Decker on May 24, 2016, 07:12:27 AM

Conversely, it's frustrating when a robot shoots at you and you can't shoot back. From the player's perspective, it looks like a UI quirk. There's no way to tell in advance whether you'll be able to shoot at a robot that's coming around the corner.

Yeah, part of the reason would be that not all robots occupy the same amount of space within their cell. It's also due to the way valid line-of-fire origins and targets are positioned. The world is more detailed than what you're shown, so it's not possible to perfectly reconcile what the player sees and what's actually there, since the grid is coarser than reality.

Quote from: Decker on May 24, 2016, 07:12:27 AM

Behemoths could use a buff, especially the ones in Access. I think one of the best buff you could give them is to make the targetting LOS symmetrical. Currently, it's too easy to shoot at a behemoth that can't shoot back at you.

I might be able to deal with this, though. I'll have to explore it more, but my guess is they're defaulting to firing from the closest part of themselves to you, which might be blocked while another part of themselves is not. In the end, though, given the right terrain it will probably still be possible to get shots in without much worry, part of the problem with a giant robot in confined spaces :/

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rumpel

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Kyzrati

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rumpel

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Sylverone

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Kyzrati

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Decker

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